Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@besserwisser.org> Thu, 22 August 2013 08:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard
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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Last Call: <draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt> (Sender Policy?Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:23:56AM -0400 Quoting Scott Kitterman (scott@kitterma
> On Thursday, August 22, 2013 00:26:35 Måns Nilsson wrote:
> ...
> > SPF is a flagship case for the "use a TXT record and continue to IPO"
> > fast and sloppy crowd. It needs correcting. Badly.
> 
> Which IPO was that?
> 
> BTW, in 2003 the choice was use TXT or nothing.  So it was a crowd that wanted 
> to accomplish something and did it the only way it was possible.  Considering 
> use of TXT wasn't an important factor in the DKIM last call, I conclude that 
> this isn't really about using TXT.

It indeed is -- but SPF is as I wrote above a flagship case. SPF was the
first, is the most deployed (as its supporters repeatedly assert, wringing
their hands, trying to sound apologetical and/or defaîtistic) case of
tragedy in the commons that is "automated data processing of content
in comments" and when its proponents try to codify the behaviour of
stampeding into the commons by removing the SPF rrtype, enough is enough.

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Måns Nilsson     primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina
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