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Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Sat, 25 March 2023 12:36 UTC

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On 25.03.2023 11:48, Andrew McConachie wrote:
> ...
> Trains and planes are fundamentally different in this regard, because
> planes calculate their weight at takeoff and only take as much fuel as
> they need. The amount of CO2 produced by a passenger plane is directly
> proportional to how many passengers it’s carrying.
> ...

So a passenger plane not carrying any passengers is not producing any CO2?

/me confused

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