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Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero IETF

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 05 April 2023 00:52 UTC

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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2023 02:51:57 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Cc: Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, admin-discuss@ietf.org, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero IETF
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Thanks Bob, +1 on all of your points.

I would also like to add that the quality of presentations could IMHO be
improved quite a bit if it was easier possible to add the work done for slides
also into final RFC. We for once had tried this with network protocol flow-charts,
but gave up on the RFC picture rules being too harsh to allow for this.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 05:21:59PM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote:
> Brian,
> 
> > On Apr 4, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > In the ideal world there'd be no presentation because everybody read the draft, one slide with open issues and then the discussion.
> 
> I don’t agree that there should be no presentations.
> 
> Slides can be useful to focus the discussion, even if people have read and understand the drafts.   For example, a short overview and then a slide for each open issues.
> 
> Slides are also good for non-native english speakers, where reading the material helps their comprehension of what is being discussed.
> 
> Slides can be useful, but not surprisingly can be abused.   We all seen slides that attempt to put the whole document into a single slide,  but this doesn’t mean they can’t be useful.
> 
> What is needed is for w.g. chairs to review slides and work with the presenters to make useful presentations.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> > 
> >    Brian
> > 
> >> Additional tracks and/or longer days and/or full-length Fridays will likely be needed and the community should weigh those against their downsides for in-person and remote attendees.
> >> Lars
> >> .
> > 
> 



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