Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero IETF
Mezgani Ali <ali.mezgani@gmail.com> Tue, 04 April 2023 23:40 UTC
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From: Mezgani Ali <ali.mezgani@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2023 23:40:17 +0000
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Subject: Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero IETF
To: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, admin-discuss@ietf.org, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
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Listen, Let IETF as is it and go far. As I saw the IETF got an aspect of IEEE whish are not in favour of Internet engineers. Here Am I as IAB reviewer I ask IETF director yo be selective and very strict on whom must publish and not in this kind named files. Again, please go away, please go away you migrate the hole IETF into na existing structure. Kind regards, Mezgani Ali VP of Engineering https://www.nativelabs.ma/ +212 644 179 451 On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, 23:21 Abdussalam Baryun, <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 8:21 AM Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 4. Apr 2023, at 01:14, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> >> wrote: >> > Or we could just start with having three f2f meetings per year, with >> more >> > slots for informal meetings... >> > > IETF may will need to have a formula as when do we do three f2f or four > f2f per year, IMHO it depends on the technology/RFCs demands and the number > of f2f attendance and the accumulated travel distances, and on ietf_data > analysis per WG and per Area. Furthermore, we need to know if the WG became > a remote WG_meeting or WG_in_person per IETF meeting (i.e. if more than 10 > persons are attended then it is not remote_WG_meeting). > > >> I just wanted to point out that we're seeing a different push in the IESG >> from WG chairs, many of which want more WG session time during IETF >> meetings. That isn't to say that they wouldn't also want more informal >> time, but there is a tussle here. > > > There are a lot of wasted time because it does not depend on WG > priorities/activities, the Chair or AD need to discuss priorities of time > with All participants per WG. In meetings we may see presentations with no > discussions per f2f meeting, so I think it is a wasted f2f time, also there > are times in plenary meeting with no discussions per long_presentation. So > we need shorter presentations for less priority/activities and > longer_enough presentation for more high priority/productive_discussions. > Furthermore, our f2f meetings help us (remote and person_attended) make > better wg_decisions. > > >> >> Additional tracks and/or longer days and/or full-length Fridays will >> likely be needed and the community should weigh those against their >> downsides for in-person and remote attendees. >> > > yes agree, and that needs to be discussed on the list per WG and per Area, > IMHO, the ietf_Area discussion on that issue is not active per future f2f > meeting. > > Best Wishes, > AB >
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- RE: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Michael McBride
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- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Fred Baker
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- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Julian Reschke
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Richard Shockey
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Michael Richardson
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Andrew McConachie
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Alexander Pelov
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Christian Huitema
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF John Levine
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… John C Klensin
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF John C Klensin
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Daniel Migault
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Michael Richardson
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Lars Eggert
- Re: Next steps towards a net zero IETF Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… John C Klensin
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Mezgani Ali
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Bob Hinden
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Lars Eggert
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Lars Eggert
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Eliot Lear
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… John C Klensin
- Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero… Abdussalam Baryun