Re: [admin-discuss] Next steps towards a net zero IETF

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

--On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 09:42 +1200 Brian E Carpenter
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> On 04-Apr-23 18:20, Lars Eggert wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On 4. Apr 2023, at 01:14, Michael Richardson
>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> Or we could just start with having three f2f meetings per
>>> year, with more slots for informal meetings...
>> 
>> I just wanted to point out that we're seeing a different push
>> in the IESG from WG chairs, many of which want more WG
>> session time during IETF meetings. That isn't to say that
>> they wouldn't also want more informal time, but there is a
>> tussle here.
> 
> Understood, but over quite a few years I've sat in WG meetings
> where >50% of the time has been slide shows - often given at
> lightning speed without time to even read the slides properly.
> Of course, sometimes, the diagrams are helpful but that's the
> exception.
> 
> In the ideal world there'd be no presentation because
> everybody read the draft, one slide with open issues and then
> the discussion.

And the way to get closer to that ideal is with a variation on
Eliot's idea about getting a lot tougher on slot allocations.
I.e., if a WG gets a slot and >50% of the time is on slide
shows, they get only half that much time in the future... and
don't even get that half if they cannot demonstrate both need
and productive discussions.

   john