Re: Colloquial language [Re: Last Call: <draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt> (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]

[Dave Crocker <[e-mail]>]

On 5/31/2012 9:24 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> I actually have no evidence either way; that's why I suggested asking
> some of them;-)

1.  Reliance on self-reporting for such things is methodologically 
problematic.  It presumes a degree of self-awareness that is often 
missing.  For example a native speaker of a language that uses noun 
doubling -- saying the noun twice -- to indicate plurals was quite 
insistent with me that that wasn't the rule.

2.  To claim a lack of evidence presumes some previous effort to acquire 
it.  However a quick search discloses:

 
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=054711CCAB4AFB348F7E70C9079E7305.journals?fromPage=online&aid=2546012

 
http://dc.library.okstate.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/theses/id/1031/rec/9

 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CF0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholarcommons.usf.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1255%26context%3Detd&ei=iyDHT4eBB874sgaa-rGQDw&usg=AFQjCNFnYm2MzlDnknB6AzfB0Oi4tUVyVg

among others.

The mere existence of these ought to make clear that there is a 
significant issue in the use of colloquialisms with non-native listeners.

d/
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  Dave Crocker
  Brandenburg InternetWorking
  bbiw.net