Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU> Sat, 29 March 2008 14:34 UTC

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:34:01 -0400
From: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 10:16:10AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote:
> I think it is time to put an end to specious arguments.
> 
> These standards get used for decades.  I don't think it's appropriate to 
> cripple them because of some arrangement that happens to exist now from 
> a few dysfunctional DNS providers.  Providers will get more flexible as 
> the need becomes apparent, and domain owners who have problems with 
> their DNS providers can change providers.  It's not difficult.

So I must be missing something, probably because I deleted without
reading closely enough one of the earlier messages on this thread.
But please indulge me --- exactly what is the benefit of deprecating
the "A" fallback, and/or not doing a lookup on the AAAA record if the
MX record doesn't exist?  Is it the load on the nameservers that
people would believe would be reduced if we didn't do this?  Is that
really a problem?  Or is it something else?

					- Ted
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