Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis: closing the implicit MX issue

"Tom.Petch" <sisyphus@dial.pipex.com> Fri, 18 April 2008 08:51 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: ietf-archive@megatron.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-ietf-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C85F3A68BA; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBF83A68B5 for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:51:41 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.11
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L2lPNO2qI32q for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62663A68BA for <ietf@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
X-Trace: 62534375/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$ACCEPTED/pipex-customers/62.188.139.81
X-SBRS: None
X-RemoteIP: 62.188.139.81
X-IP-MAIL-FROM: sisyphus@dial.pipex.com
X-IP-BHB: Once
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAB79B0g+vItR/2dsb2JhbACLTqBfBA
X-IP-Direction: IN
Received: from 1cust81.tnt10.lnd4.gbr.da.uu.net (HELO allison) ([62.188.139.81]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 18 Apr 2008 09:51:36 +0100
Message-ID: <019901c8a128$7f969d40$0601a8c0@allison>
From: "Tom.Petch" <sisyphus@dial.pipex.com>
To: Paul Smith <paul@pscs.co.uk>, Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>, Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org>
References: <200803202203.m2KM32hA031011@drugs.dv.isc.org><4804140F.2070305@att.com><AD7FE79F-F6A0-433D-873D-5622240ACBB4@mail-abuse.org><E5FB94CC-8978-42CA-A6D9-0AC713AD73C5@cs.columbia.edu> <48071D06.40307@pscs.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis: closing the implicit MX issue
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:35:42 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106
Cc: SMTP Interest Group <ietf-smtp@imc.org>, IETF General Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: "Tom.Petch" <sisyphus@dial.pipex.com>
List-Id: IETF Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Smith" <paul@pscs.co.uk>
To: "Henning Schulzrinne" <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>
Cc: "Douglas Otis" <dotis@mail-abuse.org>; "Tony Hansen" <tony@att.com>; "SMTP
Interest Group" <ietf-smtp@imc.org>; "IETF General Discussion Mailing List"
<ietf@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-rfc2821bis: closing the implicit MX issue


> Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
> >
> > This decision raises a somewhat larger issue, namely whether deferring
> > to implementor desires is always the right thing to do. Compared to
> > implementers, there are many more users and system administrators. For
> > the reasons discussed earlier and alluded to below, they now lose in
> > having poorer error handling and more abuse. I thought standards
> > writers and implementer were supposed to serve end users (and maybe
> > the large number of people having to install and manage things), not
> > the other way around. Maybe this is another instance of the
> > oft-bemoaned absence of operators from the IETF discussion. End users
> > seem to be even more absent, even indirectly.

> Agreed. I see this as a big step in the wrong direction. No one has
> given a good reason for doing it other than 'its similar to what happens
> in IPv4', 'it makes life easier for people with awful internal
> procedures' and 'it saves us 3 lines of code in our software'. None of
> those are good enough reasons IMHO, given all the reasons not to do it.
>
> It might end up not being a big deal except for mail server
> administrators at big companies or ISPs, but it *might* be a massive
> deal, and given the easy change we could make now, I think it's a big
> opportunity being missed.
>
>
I agree; this is an opportunity to clean up a obsolescent bodge
and we should do just that.

Tom Petch

> _______________________________________________
> IETF mailing list
> IETF@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

_______________________________________________
IETF mailing list
IETF@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf