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t.p. <daedulus@btconnect.com> Tue, 15 July 2014 10:53 UTC

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Viktor Dukhovni" <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org>
To: <ietf@ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:33 AM
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:11:58PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> > > This is a solved problem, the "Rfc822.Sender" field should have
> > > from the outset trumped the "Rfc822.From" field when determining
> > > message origin, and the DMARC policy should be that of the
"Sender"
> > > domain.  Some MUAs already expose "Sender != From" by displaying
> > > "From <sender> on behalf of <author>".  This needs to become
standard
> > > MUA behaviour.
> >
> > I am coming around to the point of view.
>
> Thanks for the moral support.  Message origin is subtle business.
> In addition to "Sender" which is used by mailing lists and other
> proxy agents, there is also "Resent-From" and friends.  I am rather
> partial to "forwarding" messages not in-line or as attachments,
> but as "resent" messages.
>
> MUAs should expose message origin when different from author.
>

Viktor,

A fine idea, but, as a pragmatic engineer, I know that changes to an MUA
will take five, may be ten, years to achieve widespread deployment,
whereas changes to MTA could happen in a matter of weeks, if needs must.

Tom Petch



> > FWIW, the text is from the proposed charter, I didn't write any of
it.
>
> Yes, of course.
>
> --
> Viktor.
>
>

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