Re: WG Review: Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc)

mrex@sap.com (Martin Rex) Thu, 17 July 2014 01:16 UTC

Return-Path: <mrex@sap.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CF51A03D3 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:16:05 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.552
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0IR759mo6ye for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtpde02.sap-ag.de (smtpde02.smtp.sap-ag.de [155.56.68.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DF291A03CB for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail05.wdf.sap.corp by smtpde02.sap-ag.de (26) with ESMTP id s6H1FSGG012780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 17 Jul 2014 03:15:28 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: Re: WG Review: Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance (dmarc)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20140716161255.0ac7a6f0@elandnews.com>
To: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 03:15:28 +0200
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL125 (25)]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Message-Id: <20140717011528.9F6EC1ADAB@ld9781.wdf.sap.corp>
From: mrex@sap.com
X-SAP: out
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/VQSAGjoZl5OxVPvOFBeFG6sILks
Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net, ietf@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: mrex@sap.com
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 01:16:05 -0000

>Dave Crocker wrote:
>
>>Yes, but how does (or should) your comment affect the draft charter text?
 
 
S Moonesamy wrote:
>
> I'll quote from 
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg13031.html
> 
>    "Existing deployment of DMARC has demonstrated utility at internet
>     scale"

I would propose to adjust this statement to better match reality.

>    "Existing deployment of DMARC has demonstrated moderate success
>    for some providers and some parts of the internet, and at the
>    same time interferes fatally with mailing list usage of
>    DMARC-affected EMail user accounts and mail forwarding.
>
>    But the by far most serious problem is that processing of EMail
>    according to DMARC by a telecommunicatios service provider
>    is a real and serious criminal offense in countries with strong
>    protections of fundamental human rights, such as many member
>    countries of the European Union, and this precludes that
>    DMARC could ever scale to the entire internet.


-Martin