RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal
<john.loughney@nokia.com> Fri, 04 April 2008 00:12 UTC
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I thought it was for the same reasons that Scott suggested, to tell who was in the room and the emails served the purpose for handling consensus calls on the list, and ensuring any 'nasty' IPR supprises as well. John >-----Original Message----- >From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org >[mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Scott O. Bradner >Sent: 04 April, 2008 03:10 >To: ietf@ietf.org; wgchairs@ietf.org >Subject: Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal > > >Ole guessed >> My understanding is that the blue sheet serves mainly as a record of >> "who was in the room" which I think is largely used to plan room >> capacities for the next meeting. > >the "blue sheets" are required as part of the basic openness >process in a standards organization - there is a need to know >"who is in the room" (see RFC 2418 section 3.1 for the actual >requirement) > >the blue sheets become part of the formal record of the >standards process and can be retrieved if needed (e.g. in a >lawsuit) but are not generally made available > >as pointed out by Mark Andrews - email addresses can be useful >in determining the actual identity of the person who scrawled >their name on the sheet - so it is an advantage to retain them > >I'm trying to understand how the blue sheets contribute in any >significant way to the spam problem - someone whould have to >be surreptitiously copying them or quickly writing down the >email addresses - both could happen but do not seem to be all >that likely there are far more efficient ways to grab email addresses > >so, my question is "is this a problem that needs solving"? > >Scott > _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Bill Manning
- Blue Sheet Change Proposal Ray Pelletier
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Mark Andrews
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Ole Jacobsen
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Burger
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Rescorla
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal john.loughney
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Cullen Jennings
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Rescorla
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Rob Austein
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Alain Durand
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Samuel Weiler
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dave Crocker
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal john.loughney
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dave Crocker
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Barry Leiba
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Suresh Krishnan
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Mr Kim Sanders
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Tony Hansen
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Michael Thomas
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dave Crocker
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Bill Manning
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Eric Rescorla
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Derek Atkins
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Theodore Tso
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John C Klensin
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Bill Manning
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal David Conrad
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John C Klensin
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John Levine
- Re: Blue sheet harvest Bill Manning
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Bill Manning
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Marshall Eubanks
- Attendee lists in proceedings [Re: Blue Sheet Cha… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Blue sheet harvest Hadriel Kaplan
- The purpose of blue sheets [Re: Blue sheet harves… Pekka Savola
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal John G. Scudder
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Richard Shockey
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
- RE: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dean Anderson
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal TS Glassey
- Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal Dean Anderson