Re: Getting on with Things

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Subject: Re: Getting on with Things
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 07:01:32 +0000
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> On 9 Mar 2016, at 18:14, Eliot Lear <> wrote:
> Some time ago, Cullen pointed me to the case of a television that he would like not to have access to the Internet, lest its microphone send stuff upstream to the manufacturer. 

You mean like the Amazon Fire voice search, which if not encumbered with IPR is bound to turn up on the next iteration of sat boxes, cable boxes and digital terrestrial boxes aka the television itself.

> But let's stick to your concern for the moment.  First, a great many devices will have a limited number of uses. 

They may have limited use in the mind of the original engineering team, or probably product management team, but that does not mean they have limited use. Think of all the uses that the accelerometer in a smart phone gets used for. 

> In these cases, there is little if any tussle, as Carsten put it.  Printers print. 

Yes but they are, for example, also a lan monitor with a print out device. There are lots of things you might want to do with that facility. Admittedly some are good and some are bad, but the owner should decide, not the manufacturer.