Re: Observations on (non-technical) changes affecting IETF operations

Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> Wed, 09 March 2016 10:20 UTC

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> Instead of seeing this as a risk ("who would need standards anymore?"...), I think we could do better in finding a constructive role for the IETF: For example, network programmability can enable and require new IETF protocol work -- e.g., evolving IP, transport protocol support in the network -- things that have been difficult in the past.
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> Finding a good role for the IETF here would IMO be useful, for example between ONF and systems SDOs like 3GPP…

Very good points. Thanks.

Jari