Re: [Ltru] Numerical region subtags (RE: extlang)

Addison Phillips <addison@yahoo-inc.com> Wed, 21 March 2007 03:50 UTC

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No, that's not correct.

The UN M.49 codes (the numeric subtags) are allowed in language tags. 
The code "419" is one of these. What Doug is saying is: the codes and 
what they mean are defined by the UN, not by separate registration on 
the ietf-languages list. Just like the ISO 639-1 codes are defined by 
ISO 639, not by separate registration.

Addison

Don Osborn wrote:
> Thanks Doug. Sorry you may have noted this too (forget with so many details).
> 
> So the Africa numerical region subtags have not been defined/adopted by IETF-languages, but the Latin America numerical tag "419" has? (Hence es-419?) Not that I'm planning on it, but if there were a need for a tag for say East African Swahili or for African French, one would need to make the proposal to IETF-languages?
> 
> Just clarifying. TIA..
> 
> Don
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Ewell [mailto:dewell@adelphia.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:31 PM
>> To: LTRU Working Group
>> Cc: dzo@bisharat.net
>> Subject: Re: extlang
>>
>> Don Osborn <dzo at bisharat dot net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes, hence language tags such as "es-419" [Latin American Spanish,
>>>> essentially]. This is a somewhat artificial distinction useful in
>>>> certain contexts. But most language tags have some basis actual
>>>> language distinctions.
>>> Thanks for reminding me of this (I believe John mentioned it a while
>>> back). It might be an approach useful for a number of African
>>> languages (Swahili and Hausa for starters, although each have
>>> country-level locales already) and probably for such as African
>> French
>>> or English.
>> I brought this up once; John may have also.
>>
>> Here are the numeric region subtags that refer to Africa:
>>
>> 002    Africa
>> 011    Western Africa
>> 014    Eastern Africa
>> 015    Northern Africa
>> 017    Middle Africa
>> 018    Southern Africa
>>
>> As a reminder, these are defined by the UN Statistics Division, not by
>> ietf-languages.
>>
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Addison Phillips
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