Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG
"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Tue, 07 March 2017 16:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG
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Andy: Thank you for the clarification. Since this is an Add-on and not focused on the base specification, where should the Add-on specification be worked on? I2RS WG with final cross-review in NETCONF? It seems that NETCONF has lots of other work on the list. Sue From: Andy Bierman [mailto:andy@yumaworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:25 AM To: Susan Hares Cc: Mehmet Ersue; Juergen Schoenwaelder; t.petch; Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote: Mehmet: These are clarifying question - not requests. Do the items #6 and #7 on the charter include revising the NETCONF and RESTCONF to serve as a control plane protocol that interacts with the I2RS control plane data store supporting the ephemeral datastore? If so, based on the WGs comments it seems key players (Andy Bierman for RESTCONF and a group of players for NETCONF) do not want this work to be done in the NETCONF WG. Do I understand the sense of the mail list? My position is that I2RS features can be done in its own RFC without republishing the RESTCONF RFC. Since this functionality is optional-to-implement, a new protocol version is not required. Sue Hares Andy -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mehmet Ersue Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 9:34 AM To: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder'; 't.petch' Cc: 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG > Back to your question, it seems obvious to me that YANG and the XML encoding rules naturally belong to NETMOD, the 'NETCONF protocol details that NETCONF > did not define' naturally belong to NETCONF. Basically it is our aim to make the YANG language specification generally applicable to all protocols and to put protocol-specific details into the protocol specifications. Mehmet > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs- > university.de] > Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 2:35 PM > To: t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> > Cc: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>; Mehmet Ersue > <mersue@gmail.com>; 'Netconf' <netconf@ietf.org>; 'Benoit Claise' > <bclaise@cisco.com> > Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2017 at 12:24:34PM +0000, t.petch wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kent Watsen" <kwatsen@juniper.net> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:14 PM > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > 7 is a monster because of the XML encoding rules, not because of > > > > the revised datastore concepts. And datastores, as you say, are > > > > more important - revising the XML encoding rules is cosmetic, > > > > not needed technically and, as I said, only make sense when the > > > > NETMOD WG has > > done > > > > its bit; and the revised charter being discussed on the NETMOD > > > > list makes no mention of this work. > > > > > > > > So scrap NETCONF XML encoding rules. > > > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Such changes fall under the "maintaining" clauses in the NETMOD > > charter: > > > > > > a) Maintaining the data modeling language YANG. This effort entails > > > periodically updating the specification to address new > > requirements > > > as they arise. > > > > > > d) Maintaining encodings for YANG modeled data. This effort entails > > > updating encodings already defined by the NETMOD working group > > > (XML and JSON) to accommodate changes to the YANG specification, > > > and defining new encodings that are needed, and yet do not fall > > > under the charter of any other active IETF working group. > > > > Kent > > > > I was going to be sarcastic but resisted the temptation:-) > > > > I am unable to reconcile those paragraphs with > > > > 'NETCONF XML Encoding Rules from RFC 7950 will be moved to > > RFC6241bis.' > > > > To me, they are on different planets; one puts XML encoding rules in > > the NETCONF WG and the NETCONF RFC, the other places them in the > > NETMOD WG and the NETMOD RFC. > > > > YANG today defines the language plus its data encoding rules into XML > plus NETCONF protocol details that NETCONF did not define (and the > reason is simply that YANG was done after NETCONF and nothing else). > > I think the goal is to move the NETCONF protocol details that NETCONF > did not define to the NETCONF specification. Some may want to factor > out the XML encoding out of the YANG specification as well, similar to > how we have JSON as a separate document. On the hand hand this makes > sense, on the other hand it makes it a bit more difficult to write > examples down in the YANG specification (since the examples then > depend on another external specification - or one would have to create > yet another ad-hoc notation (YAAN). > > Back to your question, it seems obvious to me that YANG and the XML > encoding rules naturally belong to NETMOD, the 'NETCONF protocol > details that NETCONF did not define' naturally belong to NETCONF. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
- [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Lou Berger
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Lou Berger
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Benoit Claise
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)