Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG
Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 22 March 2017 06:45 UTC
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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Cc: Mehmet Ersue <mersue@gmail.com>, 'Netconf' <netconf@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 09:58:54PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > Hi Juergen, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, March 21, 2017 4:20 AM > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 05:32:41PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > > > - Definition of notifications sent over NETCONF and how YANG > > > notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include considerations > > > for parallel support / implementation compatibility with RFC-5277. > > > > > > - Definition of notifications sent over RESTCONF and HTTP2 and how > > > YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include specifics > > > of call-home and heartbeat for subscriptions. > > > > I believe we do have specifications how YANG defined notifications are > > encoded in XML and JSON. Do we plan to redo this? I do not think so. > > No plans to redo this. The only thing this shows is that there are plans to provide examples which match to the Network Subscriptions space. > But this is not what the text says. So the text needs to be fixed. > > Perhaps it needs to be state more clearly what the scope of this work is and > > what it is not. > > > > And what is HTTP2 doing here? I assume this is about replacing the Server- > > Sent Events (SSE) mechanism with HTTP/2 push. I checked RFC > > 8040 and it specifically says: > > > > This document defines a protocol based on HTTP [RFC7230] called > > "RESTCONF", for configuring data defined in YANG version 1 [RFC6020] > > or YANG version 1.1 [RFC7950], using the datastore concepts defined > > in the Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) [RFC6241]. > > > > Note that RFC 7230 is HTTP/1.1. I think the WG really needs to write a > > document that defines RESTCONF over HTTP/2 and not just notifications over > > HTTP/2. Such a document may very well say that almost nothing needs > > changes to run over HTTP/2 except the notification delivery being done > > differently. But I think the scope should be RESTCONF over > > HTTP2 and not RESTCONF notifications over HTTP2. > > There are two different needs: > > (1) RESTCONF over HTTP2: This is what you are asking for, and I would love to see this as well. As far as I know, nobody is currently defining this. > > (2) Notifications over HTTP2: for Configured Subscriptions, there is no need for any RESTCONF involvement when the resulting stream of Notifications is delivered over HTTP. In addition, there are multiplexing, QoS, and other benefits if the Notifications are delivered over HTTP2. I believe the NETCONF WG has an interest in this issue the same notification structures can be used as would also be used with does Dynamic Subscriptions established using RESTCONF control plane messages. > I disagree that we should create another protocol in addition to RESTCONF to deliver notifications. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>
- [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Lou Berger
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Lou Berger
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] health of NETCONF Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Benoit Claise
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mehmet Ersue
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Susan Hares
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Robert Wilton
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF … Acee Lindem (acee)