Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou-rtcweb-audio-codecs-for-interop-01
Ron <ron@debian.org> Wed, 13 March 2013 16:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou-rtcweb-audio-codecs-for-interop-01
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:17:44AM -0400, Xavier Marjou wrote: > WebRTC standard must do the best to avoid transcoding when communications > happen towards "legacy" devices. That's a pretty general and well known principle that doesn't need mandating specially for WebRTC or is in any way unique to it. So maybe the "legacy" devices should just add Opus support then :) It's not like 4 billion of the 6 billion aren't less than 2 years old, or are not firmware upgradeable ... And it's not like (the many) people who are jailbreaking them aren't doing that for themselves already ... > Another way to illustrate that is an analogy with human languages: suppose > there are two French native speakers and they have to speak English to talk > with each other: this results in additional efforts, decreased quality of > conversation, additional delays... all these details are significant for > the quality of the communication. > > (of course there are some exceptions in my analogy: there exists French > native speakers who can also speak English fluently, in particular some > Quebecois folks on the list ;-) Right, and the French and English they speak today isn't the same French and English they spoke in mediaevil times :) We could equally consider this an incentive for the legacy device makers to move forward. That seems like a much better outcome for everyone than trying to drag the new format backward would bring. Doesn't it? Ron > Are you aware of the listening tests presented to the CODEC WG? > > > > In particular the ones that show Opus->AMR and AMR->Opus is not > > significantly > > worse than the intrinsic quality degradation suffered by using AMR alone? > > > > Or that Opus->G.711->AMR is actually better than AMR->G.711->AMR ?
- [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou-rtc… Espen Berger (espeberg)
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Paul Coverdale
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Ted Hardie
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Alex Agranovsky
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Bogineni, Kalyani
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Bogineni, Kalyani
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Bogineni, Kalyani
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… 'Ron'
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Ron
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Bogineni, Kalyani
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Michael Procter
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Tim Panton
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Espen Berger (espeberg)
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Koen Vos
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Koen Vos
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… R.Jesske
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Xavier Marjou
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… stephane.proust
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Bogineni, Kalyani
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Bernhard.Feiten
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Andrew Allen
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Koen Vos
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [rtcweb] Agenda time request for draft-marjou… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)