[saag] Re: New Version Notification for draft-rsalz-crypto-registries-00.txt

Damien Miller <djm@mindrot.org> Thu, 28 November 2024 17:14 UTC

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Paul Wouters wrote:

> Sure, but the damage by leopards in this case isn't pushed to the IETF
> by rubber stamping it with an RFC.
>
> An Internet-Dreft is as stable and findable as an RFC, and does not
> come with the implied endorsement of the IETF.

Publishing an RFC alone isn't really an endorsement though in my
opinion, just an indication that there was enough community desire to
write down a standard.

Actual endorsement (again IMO) by the IETF comes in the form of
Standards Track RFCs, BCPs, making RFCs mandatory-to-implement, etc.

-d