[saag] Re: [rfc-i] Re: Re: RFCs vs Standards

[Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]>]

On 14. Dec 2024, at 20:23, Randy Bush <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> Or if somebody suggests doing half of the work on slack, point to:
>> https://specificsuggestions.com/share/EN/4299.html
> 
> of course that does not apply to github issues vs mailing list
> discussion

Actually, IETF and its precursors started to do 4299 a long time ago by splitting the discussions between f2f and mailing list.
This split has so many advantages that we endure its consequences as they are worth it.
We have well-established rules such as “must be confirmed on the mailing list” that can mitigate the consequences somewhat.

*For some WGs*, the same is true between mailing lists and github issues.
(Generally, these WGs have a high level of contributions by people who are used to the GitHub way of collaborating.)
Clear rules help here, as well.
But they differ between WGs, which makes it harder to follow for tourists (*).

> when we want to sabatoge, we just have a bof with chair(s) of the
> desired persuasion and stuff the room.

Been there :-)
(Cannot say “done it”, I very much hope.)

Grüße, Carsten

(*) Tourist, n., someone who travels between the continents and expanses of water that make up the IETF.
Not a pejorative term.  Often the conveyor of serendipity.