Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

"Lee, Yiu" <Yiu_Lee@Cable.Comcast.com> Mon, 03 March 2014 14:18 UTC

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From: "Lee, Yiu" <Yiu_Lee@Cable.Comcast.com>
To: Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com>, "ian.farrer@telekom.de" <ian.farrer@telekom.de>
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Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt
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Sorry for my ignorance. How MAP-E optimizes states In hub-and-spoke mode
compared to lw4o6? 

From:  Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com>
Date:  Monday, March 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM
To:  "ian.farrer@telekom.de" <ian.farrer@telekom.de>
Cc:  Softwires-wg <softwires@ietf.org>
Subject:  Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

Hi Ian,

following up with some proposed text re relation to MAP

> 
> On 26 February 2014 10:31, <ian.farrer@telekom.de> wrote:
>> Hi Woj,
>> 
>> I¹ve been out of the office for a couple of days, so sorry for the be late
>> reply.
>> 
>> Please see inline.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ian
>> 
>> From: Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 09:34
>> To: Ian Farrer <ianfarrer@gmx.com>
>> Cc: Softwires-wg <softwires@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt
>> 
>> Hi Ian,
>> 
>> Just to be clear: I'm ok with lw46 defining a specific functional mode as I
>> believe it does in this draft, also leaving "as-is" the DHCP part of it (i.e.
>> it's a capability that can be signalled using the lw46 container, etc).
>> 
>> [ian] It would help if you could propose text for what you would like to see.
>> The inline discussion has become quite protracted.
> 
> I'll follow up on that...
>  
>> 

Here I'm pointing out that IPinIP dataplane + ICMP wise there should be no
difference between lw46 and MAP-E, and in effect a single BR or lw46 AFTR
implementation can be made of these.

Current text in Section 1 reads:

Lightweight 4over6 provides a solution for a hub-and-spoke softwire
   architecture only.  It does not offer direct, meshed IPv4
   connectivity between subscribers without packets traversing the AFTR.
   If this type of meshed interconnectivity is required,
   [I-D.ietf-softwire-map
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-07#ref-I-D.ietf-sof
twire-map> ] provides a suitable solution.
 
Propose changing the above to:

Lightweight 4over6 provides a solution for a hub-and-spoke softwire
architecture only, 
where the AFTR maintains (softwire) state for each subscriber. A means for
optmizing the amount of such state, as well as the option of meshed IPv4

connectivity between subscribers, are features of the [I-D.ietf-softwire-map
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-07#ref-I-D.ietf-sof
twire-map> ] solution.

Cheers,
Wojciech.