Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Tue, 04 March 2014 15:03 UTC

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>> This could certainly save a spending the rest of the week micro-editing wording, so I’d be happy with it.
>> 
>> An extremely tentative further suggestion:
>> 
>> Should there be a draft which discusses the available softwire solutions more throughly (we would tackle this only after we’ve got the WGCLs completed, so there’s something to actually compare)?
>> 
>> A basket of vipers, I’m sure, but it wold give somewhere for a much more complete analysis of the pros and cons rather than a line and a half of analysis in the technology specific drafts.
> 
> I think could be an useful effort but I do think that writing an objective document is going to be extremely hard. I think we will have problems even agreeing on the axes of comparison, let alone the evaluation of the solutions along these axes.

I agree with Suresh. the outcome of the working group is to publish 5 largely equal mechanisms. then it is up to the market to decide which mechanism will be successful. I don't really see what more the IETF can do to contribute to that process.

cheers,
Ole