Re: [stir] JWT/JSON (was - Re: Review of: draft-ietf-stir-passport-05)
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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: "dcrocker@bbiw.net" <dcrocker@bbiw.net>, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [stir] JWT/JSON (was - Re: Review of: draft-ietf-stir-passport-05)
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Hi, The receiver needs to be able to parse JSON if the sender includes the claims, in order to verify the signature. Also, whatever headers we include, I assume the receiver should be able to parse them. But, parsing JSON is not a difficult thing to do, and there are available libraries for those who don't want to implement the parser themselves. Regards, Christer Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Dave Crocker<mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net> Sent: 04/08/2016 21:41 To: Paul Kyzivat<mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Cc: stir@ietf.org<mailto:stir@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [stir] JWT/JSON (was - Re: Review of: draft-ietf-stir-passport-05) On 8/4/2016 10:03 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > I have been loosely following this discussion. IIUC, one of Dave's > arguments is that SIP implementations don't currently involve JSON, so > introducing it with STIR will further complicate those implementations. > > But, again IIUC, the use of JSON with passport doesn't require anyone to > *parse* JSON. It is only necessary to *generate* a very special purpose > JSON and then generate a signature over it. Clever point. I think you are correct, except for the contents of the so-called "ppt" parameter, which does require parsing. Now about JWT...? From my reading, so far, I suspect the answer for JWT is the same as for JSON? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir
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