Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?

Hi Nalini,

Thank you for providing good IPv6 training to enterprises, and for letting us the access information: https://industrynetcouncil.org/ipv6-webinars/.  If we want to increase IPv6 adoption, this is one of those key actions.  I will propagate such access information in my industry engagement, and hope that other people in the WG will do the same.  Thanks to all!

XiPeng

From: nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com [mailto:nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com]
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 6:37 AM
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>; Ed Horley <ed@hexabuild.io>; Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>; Xipengxiao <xipengxiao@huawei.com>
Cc: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?

XiPeng (and others),

You may be interested in pointing people to our IPv6 training webinars which are presented with an enterprise point of view.

https://industrynetcouncil.org/ipv6-webinars/

We have gotten grants from ARIN and APNIC to do these.  We have had over 2,000 enterprise (and other) technicians from all over the world take these while the series was going on.   Many more have watched them after the fact.  We will continue to do these in the coming years.

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com<http://www.insidethestack.com>
(831) 659-8360

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 04:03:50 PM PDT, Xipengxiao <xipengxiao=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:xipengxiao=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:

Hi Ed, Fred,

Thank you for the information and suggestion. I checked Amazon and found 4 newer IPv6 books:

•       v6: Everything You Need to Know about IPv6 to Save Your Job, Save Your Sanity, and Make More Money, by Richard Kullmann | Jun 6, 2017

•       IPv6 Fundamentals 2nd Edition, by Rick Graziani  | Jun 9, 2017

•       IPv6 for Beginners: Your Quick Guide for Learning the Fundamentals of the IPv6 Protocol in only one sitting (Computer Networking Series), Book 6 of 5: Computer Networking Series  | by Ramon Nastase  | Apr 30, 2022

•       Third Generation Internet Revealed: Reinventing Computer Networks with IPv6, by Lawrence E. Hughes  | Jan 10, 2023

We need to find out what these books are about to know whether they are sufficient.

To answer Ed’s question of what we need, here are my answers:

•       A short “IPv6 Quick Guide”, 50-100 pages, for network engineers in operators and enterprises.  Rather than reading 500 RFCs, they can read this book to get a big picture of IPv6.  As Fred said, this book will link to some selected RFCs.

o   Overview of IPv6 technologies

o   Overview of IPv6 deployment status

o   Considerations for operator deployment

o   Considerations for enterprise deployments

o   Case studies

•       A more detailed book for graduate students, something similar to “TCP/IP Illustrated” – Brian and other professors please say what are needed here.

o   I guess Rick’s book fits here

If Ed or anybody knows such books already exist please point me to them.  We should recommend such books to the universities and various IPv6 Councils to propagate IPv6 knowledge.

XiPeng

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Baker [mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 6:04 PM
To: Ed Horley <ed@hexabuild.io<mailto:ed@hexabuild.io>>
Cc: Xipengxiao <xipengxiao@huawei.com<mailto:xipengxiao@huawei.com>>; IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org<mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?

> On Jul 28, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Ed Horley <ed@hexabuild.io<mailto:ed@hexabuild.io>> wrote:

>

> I believe Rick Graziani updated IPv6 Fundamentals, Second Edition from Cisco Press in 2017. Prior to that, Tom Coffeen's IPv6 Address Planning book was published in 2014, and mine was published in Dec 2013 but I would not consider Tom or my book to be one you would necessarily use in a classroom for instruction. My question would be, are you looking for a book to teach the fundamentals of the protocol? If so, Rick's book is more than sufficient and I would not be surprised if he will be updating it for a Third Edition. If you are not looking for a fundamentals book but something else, what is it you are looking for?

And with that, what RFCs are of the most value for operators? If I'm writing a book to inform them of best practices and so on, I would want to point them to the best and say "there are lots of others out there, but read these first."
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