Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Mon, 15 August 2022 14:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?
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On 15/8/22 07:35, Clark Gaylord wrote: > Hiding a random 64 bit number?? Please note: 1) The traditional SLAAC IID wasn't random, bur rather the underlying MAC address. 2) Windows picks a randomied but otherwwise *constant* IID -- so, for most practical purposes, it doesn't matter much whether it's random or not -- because it's constant. 3) With RFC7217, the IIDs are random (but stable) -- by design. RFC8981 makes IIDs that vary over time -- but a) they may be stable for "long enough", and b) enterprises generally disable temporary addresses 4) With DHCPv6, whether the number is random or not depends on the DHCPv6 server implementation. And there is no formal requirement (IIRC) for the IIDs to be randomized.. and even less for the address pool to be a /64. 5) It doesn't matter how the number was selected. If the attacker can learn the number, and use it for the necessary period of time (which, with automated tools can be a really short period of time), you're probably better off not leaking this number. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: F242 FF0E A804 AF81 EB10 2F07 7CA1 321D 663B B494
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