Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?

Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Mon, 15 August 2022 11:13 UTC

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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 21:13:04 +1000
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To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Are we competitive?
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2022, 20:06 Gert Doering, <gert@space.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 08:42:24AM +0000, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
> > > When it comes to, say, an enterprise network that accesses the
> Internet, preserving the IID is not something that folks will usually be
> interested in -- quite the opposite, I'd say.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Hiding of internal information.
>

There are ways you can do that on IPv6.

A single /64 has more address space than the entire 32 bit IPv4 address
space, 4 billion times more.

So if you want to hide your IPv6 topology, put every host in a single /64,
via something like ISATAP + RFC7217 and RFC8981, tunneled over IPv4, or
something else that allows you to put all hosts in a single IPv6/64, like
EVPN.

An IPsec VPN concentrator is another example of something that can put
everybody in the same /64.






> Gert Doering
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