Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity First.

Carlo Wood <carlo@alinoe.com> Tue, 05 April 2011 15:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity First.
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Well said. A lot less specific and "mathematical" but
I agree that the phrase "design for tomorrow" captures
a great deal of the idea behind it.

As I said a few times before now... We can impossibly
know what the future will bring, or require. In fact,
we will very likely be unable to design the protocol
the Right Way for today either, on our first attempt.

We should realize this and think ahead: flexibility is
the only way to deal with that in the future. [For the
not so "great men": the picture I have in my head with
this is several large virtual worlds that are using VWRAP,
with hundred of thousands of users. Then we discover
that something is inefficient or just can't be gotten
right. There is a solution but it would require to
change the definition of VWRAP. This IS going
to happen. Don't ignore it until it's too late (until
that day where already thousands are using the protocol)]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 05:30:28 +0100
Morgaine <morgaine.dinova@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I support Carlo's suggestion very strongly.  These are such early
> days in the evolution of virtual worlds that designing for today
> seems just plain silly to me, and I would like to see "design for
> tomorrow" enshrined by agreement.
>
> Morgaine.