Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity First.
Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com> Tue, 05 April 2011 22:50 UTC
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And... still local cache.. not vwrap. I think it would be more wise to go with the implementations of Google's and/or Siemens object identification to RFID codes. At least we know this part won't exploit content. It has further advantages than just that. I went into detail awhile ago, yet with basic QM: http://icyspherical.blogspot.com/2010/07/optimizing-simulations-with-basic.html No, even given the possibilities presented, I don't think your idea comes close to anything new in regards to the best. It's just your preference. Morgaine wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Your approach, besides exploitations, has the typical problem to > assume asset IDs are only needed and are hash-able. > > > > Asset IDs are not hash-able, it is the asset data that is hashed. The > asset identifier is the hash of the asset data using a defined hash > digest algorithm. The asset identifier is not guessable unless you > already have access to the asset. > > > Morgaine. > > > > > ============================= > > > > ================== > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Dzonatas Sol > <dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Again Morgaine, your appeals alone don't support > themselves, and > your ridicule is unwelcome. If you can not honestly make any > serious response, please move on and don't reply to my > posts just > to further ridicule. It's very RUDE. > > If you have any implementation of your hash-based idea or > actual > technical detailed documentation ready for implementation, then > introduce it. Until then, it's stuck in your head, and sounds > other's ideas just with your name on it. Plus security by > obscurity makes it as moot point. > > Documentation... ? > > Remember people tried to take one temp variable away from the > JPEG2000 int multiple/divide routine because the idea it looks > good (on paper) with one less variable. Actual implementation > reveals, with timed tests, it is slower when anybody takes away > that one temp variable. > > Morgaine wrote: > > Unfortunately your response was devoid of technical > content, > Dzonatas. > > If you have something technical to say about hash-based > addressing, I would love to hear it. > > I have detailed in some depth the many benefits of > hash-based > addressing in the article I linked, and subsequently. If > other good schemes exist, we should of course analyze > them for > technical merit and compare their benefits against those of > hash-based addressing. > > That's the engineering process for making VWRAP as good > as it > can be. > > > Morgaine. > > > > > ========================= > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Dzonatas Sol > <dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > Morgaine, we mooted your hash-based idea. This does > nothing to > help implement asset services. The only significant > point > you made > is some expression for optimization, not correct > functionality, > which is needed first > > As for your other two, we can summarize those with > public > resources and flow (forward/reverse). Any more > specific network > topology than that only makes it harder to address. The > only thing > to worry about is already custom resources that overlap > with newer > public resources. > > Morgaine wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Dzonatas Sol > <dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>>> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com> > <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas@gmail.com>>>>> wrote: > > > Do you think we are ready to implement some asset > services now, > with/without complete documentation? > > What more do you think is needed? > > > Two or three things seem to be needed: > > * Defining the asset addressing concept is an > extremely > important > matter, almost certainly the most important > matter > of all, > because that determines how robust and > scalable our > worlds will > be.� I've already examined alternatives for > that > in some > depth, > and the design with the best engineering > properties so > far seems > to be universal hash-based addressing.� I first > described > that > approach on the list here --- > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/vwrap/current/msg00463.html > , and referred to it in various subsequent > discussions. > > * Defining the data flows between regions, > clients, > and asset > services and which parameters control the flows > needs to > be done > before a test asset service can be > implemented.� > Without > that, > an asset service is just a > network-accessible storage > service, > not an asset service in the VWRAP sense.� > Network > storage > services exist already, so just > implementing one > of those > would > not advance VWRAP. > > * We need to examine how various deployment > patterns > will > use the > asset services, and how the /multiple/ asset > services that > interop introduces are handled.� I am > working on this > currently. > > > None of the above is particularly hard.� I think it > won't be > long before we have a scheme worked out and are > ready > for some > implementation work. > > > Morgaine. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org> > <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org>> > <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org> > <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org>>> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > > > -- --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- > Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, > Consultant > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org> > <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > > > > -- --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- > Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, > Consultant > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org <mailto:vwrap@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > > > > > -- > --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- > Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, Consultant > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > vwrap mailing list > vwrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vwrap > -- --- https://twitter.com/Dzonatas_Sol --- Web Development, Software Engineering, Virtual Reality, Consultant
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Boroondas Gupte
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dickson, Mike (ISS Software)
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity First. Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Boroondas Gupte
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Mike Dickson
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Izzy Alanis
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Izzy Alanis
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Carlo Wood
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Izzy Alanis
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Izzy Alanis
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Morgaine
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Dzonatas Sol
- Re: [vwrap] Statements of Consensus. Flexibity Fi… Izzy Alanis