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Re: Proposal: an "important-news" IETF announcement list

Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> Wed, 29 September 2021 14:53 UTC

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From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
Subject: Re: Proposal: an "important-news" IETF announcement list
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On 9/29/21 9:32 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> Hi Barry,
>
> On 29/09/2021 15:08, Barry Leiba wrote:
>>> 1.  Announcements sent manually by <various roles> = 284
>>> 2.  Announcements of new and updated WG charters & WG closures = 44
>>> 3.  (included in above 44)
>>> 4.  Announcements of new non-WG mailing lists = 13
>>> 5.  Announcements of new RFCs = 275
>>> 6.  IESG and LLC telechat announcements = 39
>>> 7.  Announcements of document actions = 175
>>> 8.  Announcements of IESG conflict-review results = 14
>>> 9.  Last call announcements for I-Ds = 174 (+ 4 for other actions)
>>> 10. Interim WG meeting announcements = 256
>>>
>>> The "important-news" proposal would only retain those under (1) above.
>> I think that 1, 4, and 6 should all be retained as is (and in the new
>> list, if it's created).
>>
>> I think that 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10 should be in a weekly summary, one
>> single message per week.
>
> I have a slight problem with this proposal because if it is 
> implemented it would not be possible to find last call announcements 
> by draft name. I think this is a rather important feature when 
> searching archive.

This aspect - search for "thing" by looking for it in email Subject 
lines is what's driven so much of what people are now proposing to 
condense. Alexey points to a big use case - since people _reply_ to Last 
Call messages, searching for the subject is an easy way to find threads. 
Note the CCs on the Last Call messages currently going to IETF Announce.

Similarly, the "string of interims announcements" that was brought up is 
the way it is now because people _asked_ for one message per session 
that they could easily search for and easily visually scan for these 
(with the date) by subject. It started as one message. I'm happy to 
change this to whatever/wherever, but recognize that what's happening 
now was shaped by community feedback.

>
> Unfortunately I don't have a solution for this problem.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Alexey
>

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