Re: Proposal: an "important-news" IETF announcement list

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Wed, 29 September 2021 16:02 UTC

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From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 12:02:28 -0400
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Subject: Re: Proposal: an "important-news" IETF announcement list
To: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
Cc: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
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Exactly: the separate last call messages would continue to be posted
immediately to the last-call list, and the summary to ietf-announce would
serve as a reminder and as notice to those who don’t watch last-call
closely (or at all).

Barry

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:14 AM STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:

> > >> 1.  Announcements sent manually by <various roles> = 284
> > >> 2.  Announcements of new and updated WG charters & WG closures = 44
> > >> 3.  (included in above 44)
> > >> 4.  Announcements of new non-WG mailing lists = 13
> > >> 5.  Announcements of new RFCs = 275
> > >> 6.  IESG and LLC telechat announcements = 39
> > >> 7.  Announcements of document actions = 175
> > >> 8.  Announcements of IESG conflict-review results = 14
> > >> 9.  Last call announcements for I-Ds = 174 (+ 4 for other actions)
> > >> 10. Interim WG meeting announcements = 256
> > >>
> > >> The "important-news" proposal would only retain those under (1) above.
> > > I think that 1, 4, and 6 should all be retained as is (and in the new
> > > list, if it's created).
> > >
> > > I think that 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10 should be in a weekly summary, one
> > > single message per week.
> >
> > I have a slight problem with this proposal because if it is implemented
> > it would not be possible to find last call announcements by draft name.
> > I think this is a rather important feature when searching archive.
> >
> > Unfortunately I don't have a solution for this problem.
>
> I thought we were discussing changes to ietf-announce and not last-call.
> All these emails already exist on the last-call list and don't need to be
> repeated in their entirety on ietf-announce. A summary email to
> ietf-announce should be sufficient. Anybody wanting to subscribe to
> last-call has the ability to do so.
> Barbara
>