Re: Proposal: an "important-news" IETF announcement list
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Subject: Re: Proposal: an "important-news" IETF announcement list
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
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On 30/09/2021 21:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 01-Oct-21 07:05, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On 30-Sep-21 04:07, Michael Richardson wrote: >> >> >> >> Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: >> >> > I think that 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10 should be in a weekly summary, one >> >> > single message per week. >> >> >> >> Mailman has a digest mode. Would that suffice? >> >> > No, because from observation, most people who reply to a digest don't >> > change the Subject to a useful string. This would be disastrous for >> > Last Call workflows in particular. >> >> The categories proposed that would be on a list that would be digestable >> would be (based upon what Barry wrote): >> >>>>>> 2. Announcements of new and updated WG charters & WG closures = 44 >>>>>> 5. Announcements of new RFCs = 275 >>>>>> 7. Announcements of document actions = 175 >>>>>> 8. Announcements of IESG conflict-review results = 14 >>>>>> 9. Last call announcements for I-Ds = 174 (+ 4 for other actions) >>>>>> 10. Interim WG meeting announcements = 256 >> >> So, we'd need to not include Last Call Announcements in that list. >> Then would it work for you? > > Not if it ever leads me to receive a message with a subject like > > Re: document-actions Digest, Vol 52, Issue 41 > > That one would take many times longer before I could hit delete than > > Re: Document Action: 'Boring Stuff' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-boring-stuff-10.txt) Spot on. Digests are dire, uninformative header, hard to find the real content in, unsuitable Reply to. By contrast, I think that Last Call announcements get it almost right. The Subject line tells me whether or not I am interested, I only need the body for the date (which I would like to be more prominent). I suggested earlier that while Last Call should each have a separate e-mail on some list, yet a weekly summary would cut by a factor of three the traffic on whatever is the new list. I did not mean digest! rather a customised e-mail taking the subject line of each Last Call announcement and putting it on a separate line in the body e.g. Last Call: <draft-ietf-regext-rfc7484bis-04.txt> (Finding the Authoritative Registration Data (RDAP) Service) to Internet Standard Last Call: <draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc4960-bis-15.txt> (Stream Control Transmission Protocol) to Proposed Standard Last Call: <draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-17.txt> (YANG Modules describing Capabilities for Systems and Datastore Update Notifications) to Proposed Standard or, less expansive, Last Calls week ending .... <draft-ietf-regext-rfc7484bis-04.txt> to IS <draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc4960-bis-15.txt> to PS <draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-17.txt> to PS PS: Proposed Standard IS: Internet Standard Tom Petch > >> A thing that I like about the digest option is that the archives (and IMAP) >> would have the individual messages. > > But in my experience people reply directly to the digest. > > The bottom line is that people's workflows and email habits vary widely, > so there is no one-size-fits-all solution. > > Brian
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