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Re: making upcoming calendar more useful

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Thu, 30 September 2021 13:29 UTC

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From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:29:39 -0400
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Subject: Re: making upcoming calendar more useful
To: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Cc: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, Working Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Indeed: very strong agreement from me with John and Warren.

Barry

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:45 PM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 6:51 PM John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
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>> --On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 13:20 -0400 Michael
>> Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
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>> > John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
>> >     > Announcement list --selective digests, avoiding four
>> > separate     > interim meeting postings at the same time for
>> > the same WG,     > encouraging calendar subscriptions, etc.--
>> > then I think we     > address the real problem while splitting
>> > up lists even more just     > create distractions.
>> >
>> > On the topic of calendaring, and "upcoming" being more useful
>> > for planning. I've asked for the various area meetings, such
>> > as the RTG Chairs Chat, IESG telechat, IoT Directorate, etc.
>> > to be on the calendar.
>> >
>> > My purpose is allow people who are planning meetings to know
>> > what else is occuring.   Maybe we can do a "this week at the
>> > IETF" page.
>> >
>> > There are tooling issues for some of these requests.
>> > But, the major pushback I got was that some of these events
>> > are not open to anyone, and so shouldn't be listed.  I
>> > disagree :-)
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>> I do too, for at least two reasons.  One is that transparency
>> suggests that we should not be secretive about which closed
>> meetings are being held.  The other, more important, is that
>> including the closed meetings makes it much easier for those who
>> might be involved in, or concerned about, them to spot potential
>> or actual conflicts.
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> +1.
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> I think that the transparency of having closed meetings listed will also cause people to reconsider if their meeting *really* has to be closed.
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>>   john
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> --
> Perhaps they really do strive for incomprehensibility in their specs.
> After all, when the liturgy was in Latin, the laity knew their place.
> -- Michael Padlipsky

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