The links page [was: something else]

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 02-Oct-21 07:01, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
> 
> --On Friday, October 1, 2021 10:32 -0500 Robert Sparks
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> Related but apart from discussion of what summaries might be
>> sent by email -
>>
>> There is a feed for last call documents at
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/feed/last-call, and a page at
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call.
>>
>> There are several feeds, fwiw. At one point there was a menu
>> for them, but pressure to declutter the menus some time back
>> took that away. There should at least be a summary page
>> somewhere.
> 
> Robert,
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Noting that a page the IETF participants don't know about or
> don't know how to find is of limited utility, your paragraph
> above exactly, if indirectly, summarizes part of the problem.
> I've just looked at 
>    https://www.ietf.org
>    https://www.ietf.org/standards/process/
> and even
>    https://www.ietf.org/links/ 
> (which only active participants who have been paying attention
> know how to find).
> 
> And, if any of them contain the links you provided or even hints
> that they exist, I'm not looking hard enough.  While, again, I
> don't think that page is a substitute for well-considered Last
> Call announcements (at least to the relevant WG, maybe Area, and
> a weekly summary as others have discussed), it suggests that we
> should be looking more broadly than tweaking or subdividing
> mailing lists.  
> 
> Some particular suggestions that I assume should be
> straightforward if others agree:
> 
> (1) Add https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call to the
> "links" page under "IESG", "Internet-Drafts" or both.
> 
> (2) Add a line to the bottom of the template for Last Call
> announcements that says something like "A listing of open IETF
> Last Calls is available at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/in-last-call
> 
> Really a different topic, but I also think the "links" page
> should be more obviously available from the www.ietf.org home
> page and wonder whether the Last Calls should be identified
> there too.  However, I've lost track of who the audience for
> that page is supposed to be and wonder if any evaluation is
> underway for whether that redesign is serving its intended
> purpose. 

I believe I am to blame for the existence of that page, which
largely speaking does what the old IETF sidebar did.
(For the nostalgic, see https://www6.ietf.org/)

fwiw, I agree that it should be more obvious and cover more
ground.

    Brian