Re: [113attendees] IETF 113 Update: 2022-02-10

["Scheffenegger, Richard" <[e-mail]>]

It is important to note, that the public health measures are not
designed to cater for a specific individual. Just to make the burden on
the healthcare system low enough, that it does not collapse entirely.

This is also one of the reasons, why in the past a vaccination with even
as low an effectivity as 40% was deemed dramatically better, than not
vaccinating at all (vaccination against CoVID is typically at the very
high end of effectiveness when it comes to vaccines and "wetware").

It appears, that many (westerly) countries have now achieved a state,
where the risk or a systemic overload of the public healthcare system is
no longer a dramatic threat - at least during the warmer months in the
northern hemisphere, and pending any new (more aggressive / more deadly)
variant.

I am personally more worried about those regions, where widespread
vaccination was not yet possible, or where draconic measures keep the
exposure level (thus the build-up of natural immunity) low. But more for
the reason that I personally, as a boostered individual may be a carrier
(vector) of the virus without knowing/symptoms, and transmitting it in
these regions causing detrimental health to so far unexposed persons.
(Compare transmissible deceases after explorers from - traditionally -
europe came to visit other parts of the globe)

Having that said, at least in western europe / northern america, it
becomes a matter of personal choice - just like with nearly all other
viridae which are endemic in the human population, and cause more or
less severe symptoms of a cold or flu - if one wants to get vaccinated
or not. Those who choose not to get vacciated via well-tested, fully
understood immuno-response medication will contract the virus in
circulation. With all the benefits (no time spent waiting in line for
the shot, no needle, no violation of the personal sphere of the skin)
and drawbacks (dramatically higher risk of "side-"effects like loss of
taste and smell, fatigue syndrome, heart inflammation, long-term
neurological issues if initial indications of Covid hiding in the
central nervous system like Herpes turn out to be correct in 5-25
years). There are in the order of 20 different types of viridae in
endemic circulation, which all typically cause only mild flu-like
symptoms, but every once in a while, turn out to be deadly for an
individuum.

The only other choice would be the voluntary non-participation in all
direct human contact - "social" distancing for the entire rest of that
individuals life. Which, by the way, would not only protect with extreme
high success rate against Covid, but virtually all other transmissible
deseases. (But not exposing the immune system to any pathogens regularly
will probably have its own risks)


In that light - take care!

Richard



Am 18.02.2022 um 17:08 schrieb Alexandre Petrescu:

> But I wonder what about vaccinating?
>
> It might be that not only PCR and distancing to be no longer required at
> Vienna by end of March, but the vaccination neither.
>
> The EMA press conf of yesterday (17 february) still does not say
> something affirmative about 4th dose for the general public.
>
> But it says (https://youtu.be/W9HPf0PJda0?t=144) that EMA considers, not
> decided yet, reducing the time from 2nd dose to 3rd dose to 3 month.
>
> If the time from 2nd dose to 3rd dose is 3 month, then I the non-medical
> person, suppose the same 3 month would be between 3rd dose and 4th dose
> too.  Is this supposition appropriate?
>
> My 3rd dose was in December 2021, so the 4th would need to be in March,
> prior to Vienna.
>
> In that EMA press conference (https://youtu.be/W9HPf0PJda0?t=211) it is
> said:
> - 2nd booster? not enough information, need more info to understand
> effect of current vaccination, the impact of 4th dose where it was applied.
> - EMA talks about a 'preprint' with Israel results that could be a
> starting point to analyse.  I dont know which paper.
>
> But I heard of another recent medrxiv paper which seems to be saying 4th
> dose is good
> (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.15.22270948v1).  There
> is also a video from Israel as early as January, which says 4th dose is
> good - https://youtu.be/71viRng-k8g
> But today it is also told that Israel removes 'pass' requirements, so no
> more vaccination requirement in Israel, presumably.
>
> I dont know what to think about vaccination.