Re: [Add] Proposed charter and BoF request for IETF 106

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 09 October 2019 07:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Add] Proposed charter and BoF request for IETF 106
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Hiya,

On 09/10/2019 08:38, Barry Leiba wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> The IESG has worked up a proposal for a possible working group, which
> we're tentatively calling "ABCD", for "Application Behavior
> Considering DNS".  We can discuss the charter proposal here, and
> expect to approve a working-group-forming BoF for Singapore.
> 
> I realize that the charter proposal isn't going to please everyone
> (and perhaps will please no one), but it's something that, at a first
> level of review, the IESG accepts and will likely want to move forward
> with.
> 
> See the proposal here:
>       https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart

I understand that figuring out what to do here is tricky,
but it's unclear to me how that text moves us along at all.
I'm also unconvinced that adding a new WG is the right
approach.

I see two main problems:

1) What is out of scope? The current text seems to leave
everything related to DNS privacy and it's impacts as being
in scope. So far, having such a broad scope doesn't seem
to me to have gone well.

2) "This working group will coordinate with the DNSOP (OPS
Area), DPRIVE (INT Area), and DOH (ART area) working groups,..."
seems to me to mean that the confusion with proposals and
discussions we've seen will continue. Moving from 3 WGs and
a non-WG list, to 4 WGs, doesn't seem likely to help that
aspect. For a specific example DPRIVE is already working
on a BCP that would likely overlap with one of the initial
focus areas listed here. That makes no sense to me.

Cheers,
S.

> 
> I am also going to remove the moderation of this list for now.  Let's
> see how that goes.  Please continue being calm, thoughtful, and
> respectful (and thanks for having done that during the moderation
> period).
> 
> Barry
>