Re: [Add] Proposed charter and BoF request for IETF 106

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Wed, 09 October 2019 13:31 UTC

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 15:31:06 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Add] Proposed charter and BoF request for IETF 106
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> Who wrote the charter? Shouldn’t the BoF proponents be 1-3 individuals, rather than a mailing list?

That's a fair question.  The answers are:

- The IESG write the charter proposal as something to float to the community.

- We took longer than we would have liked to get it done, and we
wanted to be sure we had it ready for discussion as soon as possible,
and to be sure we had a reasonable placeholder for BoF approval
(today).  That was sloppy, and I'm sorry for that, but we also did not
have time to get it socialized and to have people signed up as
proponents and possible chairs yet.

So if it helps, consider "the IESG" as the charter proposal writers
and "5 or 6 ADs" as the BoF proponents.

Barry

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:55 AM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 2:39 PM Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I realize that the charter proposal isn't going to please everyone
>> (and perhaps will please no one), but it's something that, at a first
>> level of review, the IESG accepts and will likely want to move forward
>> with.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Who wrote the charter? Shouldn’t the BoF proponents be 1-3 individuals, rather than a mailing list?
>
> The proposed charter looks extremely misguided to me. But a proposal that no one will put their name on doesn’t even deserve an argument.
>
> thanks,
> Rob
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>