Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Wed, 20 April 2016 14:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Diversity] Participation in active IETF work (was: Interim step on meetings site feedback for sites currently under active consideration)
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Hi SM,

Thanks for your email. My opinion is that the IETF needs to work harder on
these issues. IMHO, the problem is mainly that mentors are still in few
numbers, and the IETF needs to look into the IETF culture or better to say
their WG culture. I recommend we need one or two mentors for each WG, so
the mentor MUST not be the Chair or AD, the mentor MUST be a participant in
that WG (better if he/she was a Chair before).

AB

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:58 AM, SM <sm@resistor.net> wrote:

> Hi Nalini,
> At 12:50 18-04-2016, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
>
>> I wonder if there has not been more participation in active IETF work
>> before from other regions because there was no structured way to start
>> participating and language insensitivity.  (BTW, there is a new member of
>> the Mentoring Team from Latin America, that I met in Buenos Aires who will
>> translate the Mentoring emails into Spanish.)
>>
>
> Attendance figures were used as a substitute for Participation figures.
> The IETF Community did not show much interest in doing anything about
> that.  A few years ago, an IAOC Chair posted the following to justify the
> meeting policy:
> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/pdfgakgOuij_5.pdf
>
> There wasn't any formal effort (as the one you are doing) to train people
> from other regions to start participating except for the meeting training
> sessions.  A person who is not used to discussing in English faces a higher
> learning curve in comparison with someone from Australia.
>
> The regional mentors (in the Cc) might be able to comment about why there
> has not been more active participation before.
>
> Regards,
> -sm
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