Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders

Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> Tue, 27 June 2023 15:11 UTC

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From: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
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> Il 27/06/2023 15:52 BST Stacie Hoffmann <stacie.hoffmann=40dcms.gov.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> ha scritto:
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> Another discussion point that was brought up is the terminology ‘policy expert’. We have seen this chain use “non-technical”, “people engaged in policy issues” (PEPI) and “policy specialist”. This is an important consideration we will take away, as well as making sure the definition is clear. We’re focusing on addressing these challenges for a wider group of policy experts not limited to those from governments, including the likes of civil society, academia, industry etc. 
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"Policy experts" points at people who, while sometimes advocating a specific view, can understand multiple viewpoints and multiple stakeholder needs and work for a reasonable compromise that can obtain consensus. However, when you discuss policy, you will also encounter people who are not "policy experts", but just want to bring the view of some stakeholders and ensure that their needs are considered. In other words, not all people participate because of their policy-making skills or experience; some just participate because they have a stake in the topic. This is why I would steer away from words like expert or specialist if possible.

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