Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
Stacie Hoffmann <stacie.hoffmann@dcms.gov.uk> Tue, 27 June 2023 14:52 UTC
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 15:52:29 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
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Hi all, Thank you for the constructive feedback across the different aspects of the problem statement, and on ways forward. It’s good to see the recurring recognition that people with policy backgrounds engaging in the IETF bring value, as well as the discussion around enablers of participation -- such as the obligation of all to better understand the technology and partnerships between stakeholders. This is the ‘bridge building’ that we discussed at IETF 115 and 116. In particular Bob’s point that “many (perhaps most) technology decisions are also policy decisions” articulates why we shouldn’t think of these as completely separate domains. We recognise the comments and suggestions on keeping existing ways of working and strengthening them, as opposed to creating something new. At this stage we see value in a dedicated venue to refine this problem statement and discuss potential solutions in a coordinated manner, and are not seeking to jump to any conclusions about what the shape or form of solutions might be. We will also be looking at making clearer the ‘non goals’ in the draft. For example, this draft is not about giving any one stakeholder group special treatment - it is about how we work together within the IETF, and the potential to work better together. It is not about setting up a new structure - but about discussing potential solutions to the problem. Nor is this draft about any one specific policy issue, technology or standard. Another discussion point that was brought up is the terminology ‘policy expert’. We have seen this chain use “non-technical”, “people engaged in policy issues” (PEPI) and “policy specialist”. This is an important consideration we will take away, as well as making sure the definition is clear. We’re focusing on addressing these challenges for a wider group of policy experts not limited to those from governments, including the likes of civil society, academia, industry etc. We will continue to update this draft as a means of documenting this problem space, and we welcome any further thoughts, or inputs. We look forward to discussing more with you in San Francisco. Best Stacie On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 at 03:43, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > It appears that Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> said: > >I do agree with the sentiment that it is important *not* to divorce our > >decision process from its policy implications, whatever they may be. > >But that doesn't imply some sort of policy veto. > > That's a key point. I want it to be crystal clear that anyone is > welcome to join in, and we're happy to help people improve their > skills and understanding about what we do, but policy people get > exactly the same role in our rough consensus as anyone else. > > R's, > John > > -- > Gendispatch mailing list > Gendispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch > -- [image: Text Description automatically generated] Stacie Hoffmann Digital Standards Strategy Lead Department for Science, Innovation & Technology Tel: 07766598283 stacie.hoffmann@dcms.gov.uk www.gov.uk/dsit <https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-science-innovation-and-technology> | https://twitter.com/SciTechgovuk
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