Re: [hybi] Process, was: Technical feedback. was: Process!

[SM <[e-mail]>]

At 15:07 30-01-10, Greg Wilkins wrote:
>Which brings us back to process.

In a previous message, I asked a question about the WHATWG [1].  As 
there hasn't been any answer, I gather that the group will not be 
providing input.

>I repeat my suggestion that the WHATWG continue to edit the current document
>to produce an interoperable and deployed 1.0, while the IETF begins 
>the process
>to produce a new document describing a 1.1 version of the protocol.

See comments below.

At 16:03 30-01-10, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
>If I could make a humble suggestion, perhaps it makes sense to have
>WHATWG produce a 0.9 version based on Hixie's latest draft or whatnot.

One of the goals is a working group item that describes the Web 
Socket requirements.  Some of the issues could be sorted out by 
working on that document first.  From an IETF process perspective, 
there may be some questions about the protocol document that might or 
might not have to addressed depending on the circumstances.  It may 
be easier to put off the question of using a version 0.9 or 1.0 of 
the protocol document as input.

>I just feel that if the IETF-governed protocol takes into account
>real-world feedback from non-browser devs, that the protocol may look
>different enough that a 1.0->1.1 won't be significant enough to
>reflect the differences.

There has been some previous comments about whether feedback from 
participants is taken into account.  As a note, the author of 
draft-hixie-thewebsocketprotocol-69 has responded to some of my 
comments on that draft prior to the formation of this Working 
Group.  In my opinion, the question of whether comments will be 
considered does not arise now that there is a working group chartered 
to work on the protocol.

Regards,
-sm

1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg01013.html