Re: [Ideas] Fwd: Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)

"Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Mon, 02 October 2017 17:08 UTC

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From: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
CC: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "ideas@ietf.org" <ideas@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Fwd: Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)
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Hi Tom,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Herbert [mailto:tom@herbertland.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 10:04 AM
> To: Templin, Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> Cc: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>et>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>rg>; ideas@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ideas] Fwd: Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)
> 
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Templin, Fred L
> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> >
> >
> >>Fred, that's the kind of statements that really give me pause. "Let's do
> >> something dangerous
> >
> >> on my network because it is well isolated and secure." I am pretty sure
> >> that the gentle folks at
> >
> >> Equifax were thinking along similar lines.
> >
> >
> >
> > Understood, but for the Aeronautical Telecommunications Network (ATN) it
> > really
> >
> > is secured at the lower layers and has to be that way. There are no
> > connections to the
> >
> > open Internet, and there can be no opportunity for rogue ATCs to come in and
> > start
> >
> > giving orders to airplanes. This is true whether/not there is a Loc/ID split
> > architecture
> >
> Fred,
> 
> That may be true for your use case, but we can never define IETF
> protocols on the basis that something at a lower layer will secure
> them.

IPv6 Neighbor Discovery [RFC4861] is a prominent example of an
IETF protocol that relies on lower layer security.

Thanks - Fred

> Tom