Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry]

[David Farmer <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:38 Nico Schottelius <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
> Hey David,
>
> David Farmer <farmer=[e-mail]> writes:
>
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 18:20 Brian E Carpenter <
> [e-mail]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let's stipulate that this is true:
> >>
> >> > This is a case where a ULA-C allocation per-customer would make
> sense, if
> >> > it could be done for a non-recurring fee.
> >>
> >> I see a challenge there. As sixxs and other examples have showed us, a
> >> pro bono service will not live for ever. How can a ULA-C registry, even
> a
> >> strictly non-profit one, live for ever if there is no annual fee?
> >
> >
> > Not to mention that an annual fee and termination for the lack of payment
> > is an extremely efficient mechanism for maintaining the accuracy of the
> > registry over long periods of time.  Without it or a similar periodic
> > mechanism for garbage collection, information in the registry will rot
> over
> > time and we will just rebuild the swamp.  Furthermore, making that
> > mechanism an annual fee nicely aligns with the need to fund the
> > registry.
> >
> > So, if there isn’t an annual fee, not only do you need a different
> funding
> > mechanism but a different garbage collection mechanism too. While not
> > impossible, this seems like a very tall order to me.
>
> I think there is one point that most of us agree on:
>
> - There should be a regular check/cleanup/confirmation of use
>
> One thing that we do not agree on is yet what type of confirmation that
> is. A $250 annually fee might not sound much, unless you put into
> context of a community that is fully volunteer driven and/or located in
> an economny where $250 might actually represent a monthly salary.
>
> I think maybe a call for sponsors (and ungleich would certainly be one
> of them) could show who would be interested in this role.


I don’t think $250 is the right number for this, it is the current minimum
number for ARIN region. Should it be less, yes it should be, at least for
community networks, in my opinion, but who qualifies and under what terms.

Community networks aren’t the only ones that want something like ULA-C, and
plenty of the others that want ULA-C can and should pay their freight.
Plenty of corporations want address space that is filtered by default in
the DFZ but they can associate and secure communication with their business
partners, and know for sure it is a particular business partner.

I’m not sure all users should get ULA-C for free because one class of user
needs it to be free and is probably justified to receive it for free.

Thanks

Cheers,
>
> Nico
>
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