Re: [Tm-rid] Review of draft-drip-arch-02 w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and other

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 09/07/2020 à 16:51, Da Silva, Saulo a écrit :
> You mentioned my name, so, some comments below your notes. Saulo
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Tm-rid <[e-mail]> On
> Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz Sent: 8-Jul-20 9:02 AM To: Alexandre
> Petrescu <[e-mail]> Cc: [e-mail] Subject:
> Re: [Tm-rid] Review of draft-drip-arch-02 w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and
> other
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/8/20 8:49 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Le 07/07/2020 à 19:26, Robert Moskowitz a écrit :
>>> ANSI/CTA 2063-A
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> I downloaded it.
>> 
>> But it says "Unmanned", whereas a flying taxi would be manned even
>> if that person would not control the flight.
>> 
>> Maybe they'll change the title of the document, or maybe the UAM 
>> inclined will invent a new ID for 'manned but not in control' or 
>> something like that.
> 
> Saulo: We call them autonomous.
> 
> For now, ICAO sees UAM as Unmanned and will use the 2063 numbering
> scheme.

Noted, thank you.

I will check the 2063 numbering scheme from the freely available 
document ANSI/CTA 2063-A (free, hm, but very unfriendly to privacy 
because it requests my postal address at work).

>  They are unmanned in the sense of no pilot on board.

YEs, but note how difficult is it to understand.

UAM - U means Urban
UAV - U means Unmanned

Unmanned - there is no Pilot onboard but there could be a journalist 
with no pilot skill, like in the ehang demo of a year ago or so.

Alex

   If
> there IS a pilot on board, then they are manned aircraft and fall
> under those regulations and numbering. (actually I believe testing to
> date have been onboard pilot air taxis.)
> 
> ICAO (Saulo needs to join in) has augmented the paper certification
> process for manned aircraft with a digital process.  Manned flying
> taxis will be in this category unless a new one is created.
> 
> Saulo: I don’t know wat you call "augmented paper certification" but
> whatever a vehicle is called "aircraft" it requests airworthiness
> certification, be it manned or unmanned and on the unmanned we may
> also have the autonomous category (no pilot onboard or on the ground)
> ones.
> 
> Then you get should a UAM, even manned participate in the Broadcast
> Remote ID messaging for safety purposes?  I would think so, but this
> is still really an unclear area.
> 
> Saulo: As of today's developments , without having the regulations to
> cover it, the answer is yes.
> 
> definitely they will not participate in the automotive V2X ecosystem,
> despite conversations over on the ITS list.  Oh, they may listen in,
> but what messaging impacts them?
> 
> Saulo: Agree.
> 
> Bob
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