Re: [Tm-rid] Review of draft-drip-arch-02 w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and other

Robert Moskowitz <rgm@labs.htt-consult.com> Wed, 08 July 2020 13:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tm-rid] Review of draft-drip-arch-02 w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and other
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On 7/8/20 8:49 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>
> Le 07/07/2020 à 19:26, Robert Moskowitz a écrit :
>> ANSI/CTA 2063-A
>
> Thank you.
>
> I downloaded it.
>
> But it says "Unmanned", whereas a flying taxi would be manned even if 
> that person would not control the flight.
>
> Maybe they'll change the title of the document, or maybe the UAM 
> inclined will invent a new ID for 'manned but not in control' or 
> something like that.

For now, ICAO sees UAM as Unmanned and will use the 2063 numbering 
scheme.  They are unmanned in the sense of no pilot on board.  If there 
IS a pilot on board, then they are manned aircraft and fall under those 
regulations and numbering. (actually I believe testing to date have been 
onboard pilot air taxis.)

ICAO (Saulo needs to join in) has augmented the paper certification 
process for manned aircraft with a digital process.  Manned flying taxis 
will be in this category unless a new one is created.

Then you get should a UAM, even manned participate in the Broadcast 
Remote ID messaging for safety purposes?  I would think so, but this is 
still really an unclear area.

definitely they will not participate in the automotive V2X ecosystem, 
despite conversations over on the ITS list.  Oh, they may listen in, but 
what messaging impacts them?

Bob