Re: [Drip] ADSB(Internet mail)

[Robert Moskowitz <[e-mail]>]

We need to take the crowd source draft to the next step and define the 
actual protocol.  Target that for the August Interim.

On 7/30/20 6:53 AM, shuaiizhao(Shuai Zhao) wrote:
> Standard
>
> It is really hard to foresee the future.
>
> Personally, I don’t think FAA  (in NA) will let the air-taxi going 
> into an airport for taking or landing. But we never know. That is also 
> the reason I think the Crowd source draft has much more weight than 
> everyone else thinks. It might be a good alternative compared with 
> ADS-B since those UA operations might not be as critical as GA.
>
> Best,
>
> Shuai Zhao
>
> *From: *Robert Moskowitz <[e-mail]>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 03:48
> *To: *"shuaiizhao(Shuai Zhao)" <[e-mail]>
> *Cc: *"[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "Stuart W. Card" 
> <[e-mail]>
> *Subject: *Re: [Drip] ADSB(Internet mail)
>
> Shuai,
>
> That was an 'or' question.  My bad.
>
> I don't see urban delivery UA, even rural (I have seen the UPS demo) 
> using ADSB.  I even question air-taxis, other than if they want to 
> make runs to the airport, they will probably require it.
>
> Local delivery UA are already so power starved, severely impacting 
> their range (why UPS has them serviced from their trucks).
>
> On 7/30/20 6:43 AM, shuaiizhao(Shuai Zhao) wrote:
>
>     Yes, as well as drones with military purpose,  that’s my
>     understanding.
>
>     -SZ iPhone
>
>     Please forgive any typos
>
>
>
>         On Jul 30, 2020, at 03:23, Robert Moskowitz
>         <[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>
>         wrote:
>
>         By "commercial drones" do you mean what a delivery service
>         would use or a long-haul freight (Rhaegal) and air-taxis (UAM)?
>
>         On 7/30/20 5:49 AM, shuaiizhao(Shuai Zhao) wrote:
>
>             Just to echo Stu on the ADSB, AFAIK, ADSB will  not be
>             feasible for most of the drones mostly due to SwaP,
>             commercial drones might be exception.
>
>             Best,
>
>             Shuai Zhao
>
>             *From: *Tm-rid <[e-mail]>
>             <mailto:[e-mail]> on behalf of "Stuart W.
>             Card" <[e-mail]>
>             <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             *Date: *Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 19:46
>             *To: *"[e-mail]" <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             <[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail]>
>             *Subject: *[Drip] ADSB (was: Review of draft-drip-arch-02
>             w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and other)(Internet mail)
>
>             Sorry for the slow reply.
>
>             ADS-B is gradually being mandated for essentially all
>             manned aircraft.
>
>             ADSB-In and ADSB-Out are mandated for airliners: -In gives
>             their pilots
>
>             some Situational Awareness (SA) of other aircraft; -Out
>             gives other
>
>             pilots SA of the airliners.
>
>             "ADSB-Out" is mandated even for small general aviation
>             aircraft: it does
>
>             not directly benefit the pilots of those aircraft; but by
>             providing SA
>
>             to others, it indirectly benefits all.
>
>             ADSB is _not_ going to be deployed on large numbers of
>             small UAS as it
>
>             would overwhelm the limited bandwidth available at those
>             lower radio
>
>             frequencies (which propagate long ranges). In fact, it is
>             expected to be
>
>             explicitly prohibited in the US per the FAA NPRM; I
>             suspect most of the
>
>             rest of the world will do likewise.
>
>             ADSB is also altogether insecure.
>
>             On 7/9/2020 3:02 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>                 ...
>
>                 They call it "ADS-B Receivers" (Automatic Dependent
>                 Surveillance -
>
>                 Broadcast).
>
>                 I wouuld like to ask if there is a packet dump
>                 available showing such
>
>                 presence data form planes?  Maybe wireshark already
>                 supports it, maybe
>
>                 it even dissects it...
>
>             -- 
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>             -----------------------------------------
>
>             Stuart W. Card, PhD, Principal Engineer
>
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>
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>
>
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>
> -- 
> Robert Moskowitz
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>
> There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who 
> gets the credit
>
>

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