Re: [Tm-rid] Review of draft-drip-arch-02 w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and other

On 7/9/20 12:04 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
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> Le 09/07/2020 à 16:51, Da Silva, Saulo a écrit :
>> You mentioned my name, so, some comments below your notes. Saulo
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Tm-rid <tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org> On
>> Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz Sent: 8-Jul-20 9:02 AM To: Alexandre
>> Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Cc: tm-rid@ietf.org Subject:
>> Re: [Tm-rid] Review of draft-drip-arch-02 w.r.t. RFC6973, RFC8280 and
>> other
>>
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>> On 7/8/20 8:49 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
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>>> Le 07/07/2020 à 19:26, Robert Moskowitz a écrit :
>>>> ANSI/CTA 2063-A
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>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> I downloaded it.
>>>
>>> But it says "Unmanned", whereas a flying taxi would be manned even
>>> if that person would not control the flight.
>>>
>>> Maybe they'll change the title of the document, or maybe the UAM 
>>> inclined will invent a new ID for 'manned but not in control' or 
>>> something like that.
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>> Saulo: We call them autonomous.
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>> For now, ICAO sees UAM as Unmanned and will use the 2063 numbering
>> scheme.
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> Noted, thank you.
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> I will check the 2063 numbering scheme from the freely available 
> document ANSI/CTA 2063-A (free, hm, but very unfriendly to privacy 
> because it requests my postal address at work).
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>>  They are unmanned in the sense of no pilot on board.
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> YEs, but note how difficult is it to understand.
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> UAM - U means Urban
> UAV - U means Unmanned

TLDs, ya just got to love it...  :)

> Unmanned - there is no Pilot onboard but there could be a journalist 
> with no pilot skill, like in the ehang demo of a year ago or so.

SOMEONE has to be onboard, or it is not a 'taxi'.  :)

Unmanned means no LICENSED pilot in control.

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> Alex
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>   If
>> there IS a pilot on board, then they are manned aircraft and fall
>> under those regulations and numbering. (actually I believe testing to
>> date have been onboard pilot air taxis.)
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>> ICAO (Saulo needs to join in) has augmented the paper certification
>> process for manned aircraft with a digital process.  Manned flying
>> taxis will be in this category unless a new one is created.
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>> Saulo: I don’t know wat you call "augmented paper certification" but
>> whatever a vehicle is called "aircraft" it requests airworthiness
>> certification, be it manned or unmanned and on the unmanned we may
>> also have the autonomous category (no pilot onboard or on the ground)
>> ones.
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>> Then you get should a UAM, even manned participate in the Broadcast
>> Remote ID messaging for safety purposes?  I would think so, but this
>> is still really an unclear area.
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>> Saulo: As of today's developments , without having the regulations to
>> cover it, the answer is yes.
>>
>> definitely they will not participate in the automotive V2X ecosystem,
>> despite conversations over on the ITS list.  Oh, they may listen in,
>> but what messaging impacts them?
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>> Saulo: Agree.
>>
>> Bob
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