Re: [Drip] ADSB

mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Tue, 15 September 2020 05:48 UTC

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From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
To: "Card, Stu" <stu.card@axenterprize.com>
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Hi Stu, all,

I was referring to your second point. We need to have a record on these matters in the arch draft.

The text shared by Stephan (thanks) is a good start.

Cheers,
Med

De : Tm-rid [mailto:tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Card, Stu
Envoyé : lundi 14 septembre 2020 16:27
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
Cc : tm-rid@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Drip] ADSB

A pointer to the freely available earlier draft of what became ASTM F3411-19 was added to -reqs; is that the outcome to which you refer?
Or do we want something more about how the regulators et al have ruled out ADSB as a RID mechanism for low altitude small UAS?


On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 7:07 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote:
Hi Stu,

I wonder whether the outcome of this thread was recorded in the arch draft.

Please share with the WG the current status of this action point.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

De : Tm-rid [mailto:tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org>] De la part de Card, Stu
Envoyé : mercredi 5 août 2020 15:20
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>
Cc : tm-rid@ietf.org<mailto:tm-rid@ietf.org>
Objet : Re: [Drip] ADSB

Will do.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 5:13 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote:
Hi Stu,

I remember that Andrei raised in the past a question about the use of ADB-S.. I suspect that others may make a similar comment in the future.
Having some text in draft-ietf-drip-arch reflecting the main arguments shared in this thread (by Shuai, Bob, Stephan, you) will be useful.

Can you please consider adding such text to the draft?

Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Tm-rid [mailto:tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:tm-rid-bounces@ietf.org>] De la part de Stuart W.
> Card
> Envoyé : mardi 4 août 2020 19:12
> À : tm-rid@ietf.org<mailto:tm-rid@ietf.org>
> Objet : Re: [Drip] ADSB
>
> The proposed manifest and other DRIP authentication related structures
> are all independent of transport, but designed to work with the most
> constraining transport thus specified by regulators and/or other SDOs,
> that being ASTM F3411 Broadcast RID over Bluetooth 4.
>
> So, for Broadcast RID, they would be encapsulated in ASTM F3411
> messages over Bluetooth 4, Bluetooth 5 or WiFi Neighbor Awareness
> Networking (without IP).
>
> For Network RID, they could be carried in any IP based transport,
> HTTPS/TCP/IP initially (although, for Network RID, some of them are
> superfluous).
>
> On 8/4/2020 11:27 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> > Thanks for the clarification.
> >
> > Le 04/08/2020 à 17:17, Stuart W. Card a écrit :
> >> I just want to respond to one line that I think comes from
> confusion:
> >>
> >>> But if we have reluctance about the use of ADS-B, and thus of IP,
> >>> and we recommend Bluetooth-without-IP to identify drones
> >>
> >> We aren't recommending Bluetooth-without-IP, we are _supporting_
> it,
> >
> > But, the security manifest that I have seen on slides during the
> > presentation of the DRIP WG meeting - is something below IP, right?
>
>
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