Re: [Trans] DNSSEC also needs CT

Ben Laurie <benl@google.com> Fri, 23 May 2014 13:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Trans] DNSSEC also needs CT
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On 22 May 2014 21:45, Phillip Hallam-Baker <ietf@hallambaker.com> wrote:

> Trans is rather too closely designed to solve one problem and it is
> not even clear that it does that particularly well. There is a lot of
> fuzziness in the process by which a relying party decides that a
> particular value is the true Merkle tree apex of a particular log.
>

FWIW, I plan to explain more clearly our plans in this area shortly (which
are actually quite solid, but not yet documented usefully).

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