Re: [tsvwg] Review comments on a careful read of the L4S ID (24. Including other L packets)
Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Fri, 14 May 2021 14:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Review comments on a careful read of the L4S ID (24. Including other L packets)
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On 14/05/2021 15:47, Bob Briscoe wrote: > Gorry, David, > > On 06/05/2021 07:52, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: >> >> ================================================================= >> *24. Requirements in 5.4.1.* >> “Such >> non-ECN-based packet types _MUST be safe to mix with L4S traffic_ >> _without harming_the low latency service, where 'safe' is explained in >> Section 5.4.1.1.1 below.” >> >> ⁃It is not clear what the MUST relates to, I think this needs to be >> more like (you’d still need to explain harm): “Non-L4S packets that >> are mixed with L4S traffic MUST NOT harm the low latency service, >> where 'safe' is explained in Section 5.4.1.1.1 below. and… Consider >> use of “SHOULD” here, as the consequences of not following it are >> stated, but not the current “MUST”. > > [BB] Actually, I now realize that this has been written as a > requirement on the operator, not the implementation. See below for fix. > >> >> “Therefore, a network element that >> implements L4S in a shared queue MAY classify additional packets into >> the L queue if they carry certain non-ECN identifiers.” >> ⁃This later sentence appears to be a requirement on the same thing, >> but isn’t the same >> ⁃“MAY classify additional packets” -> “MAY classify additional ‘safe’ >> packets” would provide consistency. >> ================================================================= > > [BB] To resolve the problems with both the above normative sentences, > I have deleted them both. And introduced the bullet list of different > types of identifier with these words instead: "Examples of relevant > non-ECN identifiers are:" > > Then I've added the following normative sentence just after the bullet > list: > > In summary, a network element that implements L4S in a shared queue > MAY classify additional types of packets into the L queue based on > identifiers other than the ECN field, but the types SHOULD be 'safe' > to mix with L4S traffic, where 'safe' is explained in > Section 5.4.1.1.1. > > Please confirm if this resolves the problems here. > > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > Bob Briscoehttp://bobbriscoe.net/ For me this works, thanks. Gorry
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