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"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Wed, 15 May 2019 17:16 UTC

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From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 13:16:22 -0400
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Subject: Re: WG meeting structure
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Michael,

I think it would be difficult to impossible for a remote participant to be
able to keep up with open conversation around a table and be able to get a
word in edgewise without extremely strict conversational control from the
chair, to make sure that people spoke one at a time, into a microphone,
with the camera correctly pointed, and that the remote queue was expeditely
serviced.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:05 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > I also agree with Bob. A setup like this is great for an interim
> meeting, or
>     > perhaps for a small focused WG (it would have been great back when I
> chaired
>     > FRNETMIB back in the 90s, we had around 10 or so people at a meeting
> and we
>     > tended to move the chairs to sit in a circle). But even with a small
> focused
>     > group, this would be very difficult for remote participants to have
> an
>     > equivalent place at the table.
>
> Is the remote participant issue that the U encourages multiple simultaenous
> conversations without MIC?
>
> or is it something else?
>
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
>
>
>
>

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