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RE: WG meeting structure

"STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com> Wed, 15 May 2019 12:20 UTC

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From: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
To: 'Martin Thomson' <mt@lowentropy.net>, "'wgchairs@ietf.org'" <wgchairs@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: WG meeting structure
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> It might pay to retrieve the feedback that was provided on the experiment.
> The IESG did collect feedback.  My sense was that this was widely consider to
> have not worked, mostly for the reasons that Bob describes.  This layout
> worked (and works) really well for interim meetings where there are fewer
> attendees, but it didn't work for the larger meetings.

As someone who made the horrible mistake of volunteering to jabber scribe at one of these sessions, I'll just say that mistake will never happen again. The sound was coming from loudspeakers and many of the people at the tables had their backs to me so I couldn't tell who was talking. And if they were talking to the person next to them or near them, they didn't even talk in to the microphone sometimes. 

Engaged discussion to resolve open technical issues is hard to do in rooms with 100+ people. Interim meetings, "unstructured time" meetings (using WebEx and an iPad-as-speakerphone for remote participants), working on topics that "the masses" don't care about, etc. are often the best way to get such engaged discussion.

Or advertise the session will be that way and strongly encourage "observers" and others who don't plan to directly participate to just stay away. Put it in a small room that can only accommodate up to 25 people and tell everyone who just wants to watch to go elsewhere and use Meetecho to watch.
Barbara

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